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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[25:21 - 26:06] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Peter Brown </del>- Free Software Foundation: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The situation we find ourselves in is that the Lower Court</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the Court of Appeal of the Federal Circuit, is essentially a court for patents, for hearing patent cases</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And this is the first time that the Supreme Court has taken up that scope of "patentability</del>". <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And specifically</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">this test that was implemented by the Lower Court does talk to software patents</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And so</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">there is basically a </del>20<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">-years history of software patents being granted due to the Lower Court</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And so we are hoping that the Supreme Court will clear up the mess that the Lower Courts created and restamp its authority</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">which basically said that you cannot have software patents</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[25:21 - 26:06] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">פטר בראון </ins>- Free Software Foundation: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">המצב שבו אנו מוצאים את עצמנו הוא שבית המשפט התחתון - בית הדין לערעורים של מחוז הפדראלי - הוא למעשה בית משפט לפטנטים</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">לדיון בתיקי פטנטים</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וזו הפעם הראשונה שביה</ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">מש העליון התחיל לעסוק בתחום הטווח הרלבנטי להיות בר-פטנט</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ובמיוחד</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">המבחן הזה שמומש ע"י בית המשפט התחתון מתייחס לפטנטים של תוכנה</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וכך</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">יש בעיקרון היסטוריה של </ins>20 <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">שנה למתן פטנטים על תוכנה בגלל בית המשפט התחתון</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וכך אנו מקווים שביה"מש העליון יסדר את הבלגן שבתי המשפט התחתונים יצרו ויבסס מחדש את סמכותו</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">שבעקרון אומרת שאינך יכול לקבל פטנטים על תוכנה</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[27:12 - 27:23] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Mullin</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Software patents</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">on a general purpose computer</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">have never been explicitly endorsed by this Court</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And this Court has also shown no compunction about reversing rules that have held for a very long time</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[27:12 - 27:23] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">מולין</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">פטנטים על תוכנה</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">כל מחשב לשימוש כללי</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">מעולם לא אומץ ע"י בית המשפט הזה</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ובית משפט זה גם לא הראה מחשבות חרטה לטובת היפוך כללים שהחזיקו במשך זמן רב</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[27:23 - 27:29] (<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">off voice or Mullin ctd </del>(?)): <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">They clearly thought that the petitioners here were trying to get a patent on something very basic, some basic forms of human activity</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[27:23 - 27:29] (<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">הקול של מולין ממשיך </ins>(?)): <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">הם בבירור חשבו שהעותרים כאן ניסו להשיג פטנט על משהו מאוד בסיסי - צורה בסיסית של פעילות אנושית</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[28:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">00 </del>- 28:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">04</del>] [<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Beethoven</del>'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">s Vth symphony with score</del>]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[28:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">35 </ins>- 28:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">42</ins>] [<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">קרדיטים: בימוי: צילום ועריכה: לוקה לוקריני. הפקה ע"י ג'יימי קינג. אנימציה: כריסטופר אלן וובר. סאונד מיקס: מאט סמית</ins>']</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></div></del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[12:19 - 12:40] ג'יימס בסן - מחבר "כישלון הפטנט": מה שקרה זה, מתחילת אמצע שנות ה-90 מספר הפטנטים על תוכנה התחיל להמריא. וגישת התעשייה גם התחילה להשתנות. אז היה לך את מייקרוסופט שבמקור לא התעסקה עם פטנטים של תוכנה בכלל. אני משער שהם נתבעו בתחילת שנות ה-90 ע"י Stac והפסידו פסיקה משמעותית נגדם - הם התחילו לרשום פטנטים.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[12:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">19 </del>- 12:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">40</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">James Bessen - author, 'Patent Failure': What happened was, starting in the mid 90's, the number of patents on softwares started soaring. And industry attitude started changing too. So you had Microsoft, which originally didn't deal with software patents much at all. I guess they got sued in the early '90's by Stac and lost a significant judgement against them - they started patenting</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[12:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">41 </ins>- 12:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">48</ins>] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וובינק הם עמדו להיות בעלים של סידרה של פטנטים משלהם כך שאם מחזיק פטנט משמעותי מאיים עליהם הם יכולים לירות בחזרה</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[12:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">41 </del>- <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">12</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">48</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Webbink</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">They were going to have their own sets of patents</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">so that if a major patent holder threatens them</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">they can fire back</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[12:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">49 </ins>- <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">13</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">00</ins>] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">בסן</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">בהדרגה</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">חברות כמו אורקל אולצו להקים מחלקות פטנטים</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">רק למטרות מיגננה. הם היו חייבים לרשום פטנטים על הדברים שלהם כך שהיה להם משהו לסחור בו עם חברות שהיו להן פטנטים</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">12</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">49 </del>- 13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">00</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bessen</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Gradually</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">companies like Oracle were forced to set up patent departments</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">just for defensive reasons</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">They had to patent their stuff, so that they had something to trade with the companies that had patents</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">13</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">00 </ins>- 13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">15</ins>] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וובינק</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וכך הארסנל החל להתפתח. עד לשנת 2000-2001 מייקרוסופט כבר החזיקה אלפי פטנטים על תוכנה. אורקל, מסתבר</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">הגיע לכמעט אלף פטנטים</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">אדובה.</ins>..</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">00 </del>- 13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">15</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Webbink</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And so the arsenal started to develop. By the year 2000-2001</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Microsoft now holds thousands of software patents. Oracle was probably approaching a thousand software patents, Adobe.</del>..</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">15 </ins>- 13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">27</ins>] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">בסן</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">אתה יודע</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">כולם הפכו לרושמי פטנטים אגרסיביים יותר ויותר וחלק מאלו שהיו נגד פטנטים על תוכנה הגיעו למצב שהם תבעו חברות אחרות</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">וכך מה שהיה לך זה קודם כל התפוצצות של כמות הפטנטים ואח"כ התפוצצות של כמות ההתדיינויות המשפטיות</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">15 </del>- 13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">27</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bessen</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">You know, all of them have become more and more aggressive patenters and some of the ones who were against software patents ended up sueing other companies</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">And so what you had is an explosion of patenting first, and then an explosion of litigation</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">32 </ins>- 13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">52</ins>] <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">בסן</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">בסוף שנות ה-90 בערך רבע מכלל הפטנטים שהוענקו היו פטנטים על תוכנה. כמעט שליש מכל ההתדיינויות המשפטיות - התדיינויות על פטנטים - היו קשורים לפטנטים על תוכנה. בערך 40% מעלויות ההתדיינויות המשפטיות נזקפו לחובת פטנטים על תוכנה</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ומספרים אלו טיפסו</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">32 </del>- 13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">52</del>] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bessen (partly over stats graphics): By the late 90's, about a quarter of all patents granted were software patents, About a third of all litigation - patent litigation - involve software patents. About 40% of the cost of litigation is attributed to software patents. And those numbers have been going up.</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">39 </ins>- 13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">44] [אחוז תביעות הפטנטים הקשורים לפטנטים על תוכנה</ins>]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">39 </del>- 13:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">44</del>] [<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Percent of patent lawsuits involving software patents</del>]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">45 </ins>- 13:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">51</ins>] [<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">הסתברות שפטנט מגיע לתביעה משפטית בתוך 4 שנים מיום הוצאתו</ins>]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:52 - 15:28] Bessen: So Charles Freeney invented a kiosk that goes in retail stores. And the idea is you come in, you could select a music selection, swipe your credit card, put in a blank 9-track tape - and this is long ago, this patent was -  and it would write that music selection onto the tape, and you could go away with it. The patent was drafted in a very vague language, so there were terms like "point of sale location" and "information manufacturing machine" and Freeny eventually sold this patent to somebody who wanted to interpret those terms very broadly, to basically cover e-commerce. So here was this very limited invention for this kiosk, and he wanted to interpret those terms in such a broad way that it would cover transactions that took place over the internet,. And you could - they could be - you could make them in your office, in your bedroom, in your house, anywhere. And so it covered virtually all of e-commerce. The courts, initially, didn't agree with that interpretation, but they appealed it, and the appellate court largely agreed with them, and they were able to extract some settlement of well over a 100 companies. But the significant thing is, here is this patent, you can't tell what its boundaries were until you get to the Appellate Court. What most people thought its boundaries were turned out to be wrong.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[13:52 - 15:28] Bessen: So Charles Freeney invented a kiosk that goes in retail stores. And the idea is you come in, you could select a music selection, swipe your credit card, put in a blank 9-track tape - and this is long ago, this patent was -  and it would write that music selection onto the tape, and you could go away with it. The patent was drafted in a very vague language, so there were terms like "point of sale location" and "information manufacturing machine" and Freeny eventually sold this patent to somebody who wanted to interpret those terms very broadly, to basically cover e-commerce. So here was this very limited invention for this kiosk, and he wanted to interpret those terms in such a broad way that it would cover transactions that took place over the internet,. And you could - they could be - you could make them in your office, in your bedroom, in your house, anywhere. And so it covered virtually all of e-commerce. The courts, initially, didn't agree with that interpretation, but they appealed it, and the appellate court largely agreed with them, and they were able to extract some settlement of well over a 100 companies. But the significant thing is, here is this patent, you can't tell what its boundaries were until you get to the Appellate Court. What most people thought its boundaries were turned out to be wrong.  </div></td></tr>
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